Property prices - what effect is the economic downturn having?

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By Mark Knowles

Although the amount of reassuring “news” being provided to us that the economic downturn is over and everything is back to normal keeps increasing, the simple fact of the matter is that this is not the case.

One of the most dramatic areas the downturn is having an effect on is the property markets. Property prices in the USA have already reverted to 2003/4 prices and show no real signs of stabilizing. There was a small up tick in housing sales last month, but I believe this is merely speculators picking up foreclosed or otherwise financially-distressed properties at knock down prices, and does not really help with reducing inventory because many of these will be tidied up, given a coat of paint and back on the market ASAP.

New home sales in the USA are down to an almost unsustainable level, and even the uptick in existing home sales will not put a dent in the massive, and I do mean massive, amount of housing stocks being held by the banks. The official figures are being manipulated to artificially reduce the “months of supply,” because they do not include all the bank owned properties. Nor do they include the equally massive amount of properties going to foreclosure but not yet in the process.

Home sales in the USA
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Home sales in the USA

The delinquency rates continue to rise, and according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, “The combined percentage of loans in foreclosure and at least one payment past due was 13.16 percent on a non-seasonally adjusted basis, the highest ever recorded.” And according to First American CoreLogic, More than 15.2 million U.S. mortgages or 32.2 percent of all mortgaged properties were in negative equity position as of June 30, 2009”

These figures are disturbing for a number of reasons, not least of which is the fact that the government has poured so much money into the financial system to prop up the stock markets without dealing with the core issue – over-borrowing. I am sick and tired of hearing that the bottom has been reached in housing prices, and my personal opinion is that we are nowhere near bottom yet. There may be pockets where we have, but these are likely to be the most boom fed areas and a recovery is questionable in my lifetime.

This graph top right shows the “distressing,” gap between new and existing home sales. It is distressing because we cannot have a recovery until such times as the inventory of REO properties is cleared, and I would hazard a guess that will be several years judging from the amount of mortgages in arrears.Until these are cleared, developers will be unable to compete on prices and no construction jobs will be created. Click on the graph to see a bigger version.

Homeowners in negative equity
Homeowners in negative equity

The other factor to consider is the amount of homeowners in negative equity or "upside down," or "underwater" mortgages. The “green shoots” of economic recovery I keep hearing about are looking like zombie fingers poking out of a grave from where I stand. Much of America’s consumer spending over the last 15 years or so was driven by home equity releases. People borrowing money against the increased value of their home to buy things they could not really afford, and would never have been able to afford if their home had increased in value at a sustainable level. This chart, from FACI, shows the amount of homeowners in negative equity.

Only 2% of the population with a mortgage has more than 20% equity in their home currently. And with lenders insisting on a Loan to value ratio of 80%, it doesn’t take a mathematical genius long to work out that  very few are  getting a home equity loan right now. Which will put more pressure on an economic recovery. We are going to have to come up with some other solution than borrowing more money.

Much the same story is unfolding in the UK, and the newspapers are full of fairy tales of an economic recovery. But – take a look at this chart – the slight uptick in average prices was enough to persuade the national newspapers that a recover was already under way. Silly boys – they must have forgotten to look at the sales volumes.

Peak sales volumes were around 135,000 homes a month, and we are currently at around 30-35,000 a month. You cannot compare the average price of 35,000 units against the average of 135,000. Prices in England and Wales do not yet reflect the equally large proportion of repossessed properties yet to come on the market. The simple truth is that house prices in the UK will continue to fall and the market will follow a similar pattern to that in the US. Where the bottom is is anyone's guess right now, but I am pretty sure we are not there yet.

House prices in England and Wales
House prices in England and Wales

Comments

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

I think your name should be Mark Knows...

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

lol

Thanks - usually it gets turned into "Know-less" :)

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Amanda Severn Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

I think this is a fair reflection of where we are, and where we're going. I saw an item in the papers at the weekend saying that economists are predicting further falls in the UK market once expected repossessions are factored in. It was a very tiny item though, compared to some of the big, splashy, recovery type headlines I've seen on otherwise quiet news days.

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

It make me not bother reading the newspapers. I do not see any factual reporting. They are all full of heavily biased editorial. Any one would think they need to talk to market up so people could afford to advertise in them LOL

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Amanda Severn Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

That's one explanation that I hadn't considered, but you could well be right.

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Aya Katz Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Mark Knowles, it would be good if property prices did go down, as it would allow new buyers to be able to afford a house. However, in this area, I don't see it happening at all. I live out in the country, and all the homes on the market seem very pricey to me, compared to what I paid for mine. It's possible that there is an exodus from the city that is driving property prices up in the country.

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

It certainly would be good if property prices did go down and they are going down as we speak. Until such times as people can actually afford housing - we are not going to have a recovery.

And there is a BIG difference between the prices being asked and what they are selling for. Just look at the UK chart - house sales down 75% from peak. And the prices have stalled. The only way sales volumes are going to increase is if prices come down further. Average house prices are still more than 6 times average salaries in the UK.

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Sarah Horth 2 years ago

Do you think the hype in the newspapers is because Real Estate listings are a big part of their revenue?

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

No - I think the hype in the newspapers is because the credit bubble that inflated the property bubble, that inflated the auto/yacht/designer crap bubble also inflated an advertising bubble that the newspapers need to survive. They are dropping like flies.

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JonSterling 2 years ago

Fast Forward Twenty Years - What's a Newspaper? Good read as usual Mr. Mark!

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Jon. I am with you there. They are not making the transition to online very well at all. The TImes writes an article and immediately gets 200 negative comments.

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dohn121 Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Until the day comes when the price of the house that I want is "right," I'm going to save as much as I can towards a down payment! (I actually wrote a hub on that). Thanks again Mark. As always, I'll be coming back regularly to check with you on the current status of the housing market.

Figures 2 years ago

Listening in the uk to the markets update on the radio they just stated that houseprices have risen by 1.6 percent for the second month in a row. Should I post them your hub so they are not misinforming the uk public?

Figures 2 years ago

Sorry I meant 4th month in a row, clearly stated below by the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8223540.stm

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

Yes indeed - average house prices have risen because sales volumes are down 75% and the only houses selling are expensive ones to people with cash. Look at the chart I posted showing average prices and sales volumes. As soon as we start to see any real activity - average prices will come crashing down. I wonder if you even read what I wrote? lol

Don't you find it a little odd that they do not even mention the amount of transactions? Nor do they mention that this is "average prices of homes that the Nationwide building society wrote a mortgage on."

Take a look at the land registry data for yourself and ignore the BS government press release posted at the BBC.

http://www.landreg.gov.uk/

pgrundy 2 years ago

Excellent, thanks. I am so sick of the propaganda that passes for news when it comes to the economy and the nonexistent 'recovery'. The house I live in has lost 30% of its value over the past two years, and the South Bend house that no one wants has lost 75% of its value and that is probably optimistic. Realistically, it's worth almost nothing, because South Bend has lost so many jobs and banks are so fussy about who they will steal from that no one can buy a house in the city--the only ones selling are in the upper tier, far out in the burbs. I think you nailed it.

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Pam. I am not sure who they think they are fooling.

The BBC is supposed to be impartial, and that piece of government propaganda the previous commenter posted is typical of the BS being spoon fed to us.

Of course - the BBC relies on tax money to operate and pays the big wigs substantially more than a normal person can earn

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Amanda Severn Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Mark, re your comment to 'figures' above. I actually work in Estate Agency. The houses in our area (the South East) have seen a firming up on price because of pent up demand. Prices have dropped sufficiently for first time buyers to come on board, and the people that they are buying from are desparately chasing around looking for the next step on the ladder. Unfortunately no-one else is moving unless they absolutely have to, so there is an under-supply of mid-range housing. Until prices drop further, this situation will continue IMHO.

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

I agree. Until prices come down, we are going no where. Obviously there are regional variations, and the "pent up demand" is caused artificially by banks holding on to seized property, government rules to delay repossessions and unrealistic sellers holding out for a 2007 price. When things do finally start to move, average prices are going to fall to more realistic levels.

It cannot possibly make sense that average prices are at 6 x average salaries - unless the banks start offering 100% 6x your salary mortgages - which they are not about to do.

The real demand only comes when people have the money to buy - and they had been getting it from bad quality loans which are no more.

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Artemus Gordon 2 years ago

The property next to me became available and after finding out the price I knew I would be stupid to pass it up. This land will make mine worth more and it is so much cheaper than I paid for my original parcel just two years ago.

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Tesa Adams 2 years ago

Very informative. Worth reading again.

London Flats 2 years ago

Great hub the house I was going to buy before the crash lost over £95,000 in 6 months so pleased I didn't buy it!!!

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