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By Mark Knowles

Property investments – where did we go so wrong?

No so long ago, the standard story from every would be property investment guru, real estate agent and mortgage provider was “get into property investing – you can not go wrong.”

Of course, this is the line still being pushed, but with around 25% of the world’s population having been stung one way or another “investing in property,” we are perhaps not quite so gullible. My perspective has always been that property is a good long-term investment and hedge against inflation – and a way of making a passive (well, relatively) income. The whole idea of property investments going up 10, 20 or even 40% in value over a one-year period was a disaster waiting to happen as far as I was concerned. I was lucky enough to extract myself from the US property market in 2003, and the UK market in 2006, so avoiding the disastrous fall in values we are still witnessing.

The only thing preventing the real estate markets from collapsing completely is massive, and I do mean massive, government injections of cash via the banking system. The banks in Spain, Dubai and the US are now the largest property holders in those countries – using government cash that is being printed out of thin air. Or in Dubai’s case – pumped in by Citibank and borrowed from big sister Abu Dhabi.

Property investments
Property investments

The only thing preventing the real estate markets from collapsing completely is massive, and I do mean massive, government injections of cash via the banking system. The banks in Spain, Dubai and the US are now the largest property holders in those countries – using government cash that is being printed out of thin air. Or in Dubai’s case – pumped in by Citibank and borrowed from big sister Abu Dhabi.

The rest of the world looks to be following along, with the UK printing £175 billion new pounds to pump into the system as the banks continue foreclosing on businesses and private house. Despite this – the British government Inc still needed to borrow a record amount of money in June - another £8 billion, bringing government debt of the £ 800 billion or 56.8% of GDP – assuming GDP does not drop any further. This money is largely going into bank’s coffers to prevent them from collapsing and being able to hold on to vast stocks of homes, thus preventing a true market correction.

The markets have not yet properly corrected, and at some point the stocks being held by the banks will either become worthless because the maintenance costs are such that they are largely being left to rot of sold off quietly to some one “in the know,” at a discount.

This cannot continue indefinitely, and at some point this stock must enter the market driving prices further down. I would not consider getting into property investments until this time. But there will be some serious bargains around for these with patience and cash.

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JonSterling 2 years ago

You are a publishing machine Mark - I am still waiting on your Iron Skillet Novella! Maybe you could co-author one with Steve Martin and call it "Skillet Girl" - Hey do me a favor and take a look at my latest hub - would love your opinion and comments. Thanks,

Jon

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

Are you saying we should wait until the government begins to sell off the properties they have accumulated? (This may be a dumb question but I am not that familiar with real estate markets.)

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

Yes - they cannot sit on them forever. If you think about how much real estate is sitting bank owned and propped up with your tax money - it is insane.

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dohn121 Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

I didn't think about this before, despite the fact that when driving around, I notice a lot of vacant shopping lots--you know the ones, they have bits of grass growing out of the cracks of asphalt from inactivity--but it didn't hit me until now. There must be a lot of commercial property out there that had to be given up, not just residential. Thanks, Mark.

pgrundy 2 years ago

I think if someone can buy a house for cash and intends to live in it, this year and next would be the time to do that, but even that could be dicey. You'd have to intend to stay at least 10 years, come hell or high water.

The bank, the city, and me are still playing hot potato with my South Bend house. NOBODY wants it. If the banks would make me a very, very, very short sale deal I would cobble the cash together and put my son in it, for now it's basically worthless. They estimate $13K on the value and that's generous, because no houses are actually SELLING for that, they're just pulling a number out of their butts.

I never thought I'd see anything like this in my lifetime, and sad to say, I fear you are right and that it will get worse before it gets better. I think when it does get better, it will do so very slowly and the world will be a very different place by then.

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

@ dohn - you think there are a lot now - wait until next year. The commercial property crash is well and truly underway.

@ Pam - I think I have said this before - offer them whatever you can scrape together in cash and get them to write the rest off. They will probably take it. If there was ever a time to play hardball - this is it. :)

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ryankett Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Agree about the cash thing, property is a cash buyers game right now. I certainly would not buy without being able to put 50% straight down. Another reason for a UK buyer not to invest right now is the base rate, this will only start to rise again when market activity picks up - pushing up remortgage payments at a time when the rental market will start to deflate.

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RGraf 2 years ago

We were going to put our house on the market before the downturn. Everyone around us including the ones who were guru's told us not to. We listened to them unfortunantly. We lost our shirt.

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ryankett Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Have you lost your house now RGraf? If so that is terrible news. The property professionals had a vested interest in telling people that the boom would go on forever, as they wanted to ride the wave for as long as they can and siphon as much into their private pensions as they could before the inevitable crash. Having just finished a property degree, it is sickening to here chartered surveyors admit that and then moan about how they have had to 'downgrade' to a smaller BMW sports car!!! Most of them are old enough to have seen the last major UK crash in the early 90s, they aren't stupid. Its an industry full of arseholes and cheats, which is why I am going to take my masters in a completely different direction.

The Bankers have been given a lot of stick for the financial crisis, property professionals have come off lightly for their major role.

*Note- This slur on property professionals does not extend to Mark Knowles as an individual, who you can rely on for a fully impartial analysis :)

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Mark Knowles Hub Author 2 years ago

Sorry to hear that RGraf. :(

Ryan - good for you. There are not many honest ones out there.

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emievil 2 years ago

Mark, I wish you can write something about Philippine real estate market. That will really be quite interesting. Cause all I hear is that we're still not yet in recession, property prices are still stable, etc., etc. and everything just doesn't ring true to me. If you'll write one, I'll definitely sit up and listen (er, read). =)

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Chris Turner 2 years ago

Good Hub - Now it would be nice if the market picked up soon. Things are still slow here in Upstate New York!

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Suppliers 12 months ago

Nice and very informative hub Mark! I am almost agreed with what you have said but I am of the opinion that real estate is still not as much affected due to global economic crisis as other sectors of economy have been disturbed and this real estate crisis all over the world is likely to end soon. Best of luck for real estate industry.

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