Refinancing and Remortgaging
80Whether or not anyone in power is prepared to admit to it, the refinancing and remortgaging landscape has changed drastically since the onset of the financial crisis. Lack of available credit still dominates despite massive injections of new capital from the world governments. The US, UK and European central banks have been printing money hand over fist for some time now, yet still, credit is tight. In the UK, part-nationalized Lloyds bank announced yet another loss - £4 billion this time as bad debts continue to increase. This comes as no surprise to anyone with a brain, and the taxpayer will have to absorb much of this.
The governments continue to push the idea that they are doing all they can to increase lending, when in fact, they are doing precisely the opposite. What their intention is with all this money printing and bond purchasing is to prevent the system from collapsing and continue to deceive the public as to the size of the losses suffered through the crash. Not increase the amount of money available for lending. The problem and size of the losses far outweighs what is being admitted to. Firstly, it is necessary to look at the state of the housing market to determine why refinancing is both expensive and difficult to find.
In the USA, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan and Citigroup are now the biggest property owners in the country. What are they doing with that property? As instructed by the government Inc, and no doubt as part of their various bailout deals – they are sitting on most of it and preventing the real estate market from correcting properly. My feeling is that this is a mistake and will merely serve to draw out the correction – possibly causing a decades-long problem. This of course matters not one whit to any political party because they can only see as far as the next election. But it is almost impossible to realistically value any property at the moment.
Exactly the same thing is happening across Europe and the UK – The Spanish banks are also the biggest property owners in that country and there are around 2 million empty properties – most of which are sat on banks balance sheets at an inflated value. The problem has become so large that the European central bank was forced to inject 60 billion Euros into the Spanish covered bonds market recently. Did this event cause a reaction in the media? Strangely enough the event went almost un-noticed by the mainstream media and you would think that creating 60 billion Euros out of thin air might have had some sort of reaction. Apparently not.
Real Estate Prices
As usual, the media is full of bullshit press releases and headlines such as “strong price increase in housing market shows the worst is over.” Quite honestly, I am sick and tired of hearing this crap and have now come to the conclusion that if you want to find out what is going on, the last place you should look is a newspaper. The simple fact is, that as the housing market corrects, median prices tend to start rising as the only property moving is highly discounted at the upper end of the market. If none of the lower priced real estate sells, guess what? Average prices rise. Once we start getting to the point where the lower end starts moving again, average prices come crashing down. All the releases claiming housing price rises invariably either neglect to mention, or gloss over, the level of activity. Just take a gander through the historical median prices for Manhattan for example. Rising all the way through 2008 as the market collapsed – then wham! Fall off a cliff and correct along with the rest of the market. The UK market is going through this phase at the moment, and anyone who thinks the British housing market has stabilized needs their head examined. Average British home prices are still around double their historical average.
So, both the governments and the banks are well aware that housing is still overvalued, and has a long way to fall, because they are the ones holding the housing stock in reserve and artificially creating a lack of supply, or at least trying to. As much as the British Prime Minister and the American President might publicly cry foul at the banks lack of lending after the taxpayer bailed them out – this is just another line of bullshit. Which brings us to the problems of refinancing a mortgage at the moment.
Refinancing with a bad credit rating
Refinancing with bad credit
We have to return to rational lending practices. We have no choice. The result of runaway lending to anyone with a pulse is apparent, and I don’t think we will be out of the woods for another 5 to 7 years. One rational lending practice is to not lend money to people who have demonstrated an inability to pay it back. No matter how unfair the credit rating systems may be, the banks will use them to determine whether or not to lend money to some one, and quite frankly, if you have bad credit, they are not going to lend to you, it is as simple as that.
Refinancing or remortgaging with poor credit ratings will be all but impossible for the next few years. If that includes you – sorry. There are ways around it, and if you are looking to buy a home with bad credit, I would suggest a couple of ways – One, approach the seller to see if they will finance it for you. This model was not unusual during previous busts because it allows the seller to sell at a higher price in a bad market, and allows the buyer to buy a home they would not otherwise be able to finance. Two – if you need to refinance – approach the original lender with a proposal. There are (admittedly rare) occasions where the lender is prepared to write off some of the debt to make payments more affordable. Unfortunately, all the time the government Inc is prepared to finance them by providing them with enough funds to sit on as many foreclosed properties as they wish, this option is rarely available. But – it never hurts to ask.
Home equity loans
This is another area where there is and are going to continue to be difficulties. Home equity loans are loans against the equity one holds in a piece of real estate. Let us say you have a $200,000 mortgage, and a property worth $400,000. Theoretically, you have $200,000 of equity against which to borrow. On the other hand, if it is impossible to value the property, how can anyone determine the level of equity? Exactly. I defy anyone to accurately value a property in Florida at the moment. It is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, and I have seen bulk deals go through recently at as little as 6% of the peak prices, so what anything is worth is anyone’s guess.
So, home equity loans are suffering a similar fate to any other mortgage at the moment: the mortgage rates are through the roof, anyone with a poor credit rating is seriously out of luck and it is all-but impossible to value anything all the time the banks and government Inc are holding so much stock. No one seems able to determine how much longer this situation will persist for, and of course there are some loans being made, along with the usual array of disinformation being bandied about.
Real estate prices in the US have fallen to 2003 levels, and there is a consensus amongst the analysts with no axe to grind that the bottom of the market will be around 50% off of peak prices. Which means we are nowhere near bottom yet. Roughly the same situation exists in the United Kingdom, with an approximately 50% fall needed to bring home prices anywhere near historical affordability. Artificially low interest rates cannot continue indefinitely, and the artificial prevention of foreclosure (or repossessions as they are called in the UK) is not going to prevent this from eventually happening.
Recession or depression?
- Obama Plans Fail as Economic Recession The Great Depression of 2009 Grows
Will the United States economic recession become the great 2009 depression? World Wide Depression 2009 or 2010. Hyperinflation is a guaranteed result of bailouts and stimulus, take that to the bank.
Ongoing issues that will affect lending
The simple fact is that the current “downturn,” is a direct result of not properly dealing with the previous three recessions. Both the 1970 and 1980s “down turns,” along with the bust of the dot.com bubble were dealt with by artificially inflating assets to use as collateral to prevent a collapse at that time. Slowly but surely we have now headed to the bubble of all bubbles, the credit bubble that created the housing bubble that created all the other bubbles (including the media bubble that is now bursting. )
The similarity between this bust and the depression of the 1930s is actually very strong. Being somewhat of a history buff, I see many similarities, not least of which is the extent of the downturn. This graph rather aptly demonstrates this. Produced by the National Institute for Economic and Social Research in the UK, it is clear we are tracking the 1930s depression in the UK pretty closely.
The x axis shows the numbers of months off from peak GDP; the y axis
represents where the economy is at that point in relation to peak.
Almost exactly where we were in 1931, meaning at least another 2 years
of downturn before a recovery. As can be seen, the previous 2 busts
1979-1983,, and 1990-1993 both followed a similar pattern, but were
less severe. We are now paying the price for those. Not a single
British bank collapse during the great depression, and several have
done so this time around.
The great unspoken fear is that we
are creating a government bubble in an effort to deal with this one.
Just exactly what percentage of the housing stocks can the government
Inc own before it collapses? How much extra money can they print before it become worthless? And what proportion of employment will be
government Inc provided before it all falls down?
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Wow! I love the way you write, your ability to communicate a sometimes befuddling subject in very clear terms. Thanks for the Hub. My husband and I are about to proceed into refinancing, I'll ask him to read this.
Thank you again Mark. There's still much I want to learn. I'm sponging as much info from you as possible. My favorite line from you is the following:
The simple fact is, that as the housing market corrects, median prices tend to start rising as the only property moving is highly discounted at the upper end of the market. If none of the lower priced real estate sells, guess what? Average prices rise.
I don't want to sound like a paranoid-schizophrenic crackpot, but to me, it looks like we are headed in the direction of Socialism. Our homes are going to be government owned if this keeps up and most of us won't be able to buy a home or refinance our existing home without good credit. I always get a reality check when I visit your hubs!
Another great article.
We are watching all these homes sitting here vacant and nothing is selling. As you stated, no one is betting the financing (even with good credit). What I don't get is why many won't do seller financing or at least rent until they can sell. Is it greed?
Hi Mark, like you I can't help feeling that we ain't seen nothing yet. Here, in the little coastal town where I work, the estate agents have lengthy lists of potential buyers all queuing up for properties in the £150k to £300k price range, and there is scarcely anything available to buy. Inevitably, prices are beginning to creep up again because demand is far outstripping supply. People are quite excited about this, because it seems as though the promised recovery is underway, but they should examine the facts more closely. The lowest tier (first time buyers) is now priced to sell, and is moving accordingly. The second tier (small family homes and bungalows) have dropped sufficiently for people to now take the second step on the ladder. The third tier (larger family homes, smarter properties in the £300k - £600k price range) are still too highly priced for the second tier punters to make the jump, and consequently they're sitting tight and the market is stagnating. Additionally, stamp duty and HIPS are both influencing people's house-buying decisions, as are local job losses. What appears to be frenetic activity is really just happening on the flaky outer edges. Core activity in our local housing market is actually very quiet. I may be wide of the mark, but I don't see things changing without more price drops across the board.
When I bought my South Bend house it was one of the three cheapest in the city--all at 39K, only 3. Now, in that single neighborhood alone there are over 60 houses on the market for less than 20K, that's just in one neighborhood--in the city as a whole I imagine there must be hundreds, maybe over a thousand. One blog written by a SB real estate agent shows only homes in the topmost tier selling, and those not so well.
What pisses me off is I did NOT buy a house a couldn't afford and I improved it and I still got screwed. The house is essentially worthless now. The bank, the city, and me are all duking it out over who gets stuck with it.
What scares me is that, unlike during the Depression, there's no reality check going on right now--it's as if the press, the US government, Wall Street, all of them have come completely unhinged. As you say, it's no use even reading the papers or watching the news anymore. The papers keep talking about how the recovery has started, but honestly, who believes that? Plus, America has outsourced most of its good jobs. Now we've got PhDs fighting over who gets to make the french fries. And this will lead to stability? No, I think we are in for a long, low period.
I see a jobless recovery looming on the horizon too (great phrase BTW) and I find it deeply troubling. Who will gain by it, and at what point will the rug be forcibly pulled on all the legions of benefit claimants? We're clearly not being told the whole truth, but they surely can't keep a lid on things indefinitely?
Mark, I see the violence as already starting. The town hall meetings on health care are being effectively shut down by angry mobs who harass the speakers and interrupt and intimidate anyone who tries to ask a question. These people are recruited and organized by the multi-billion dollar health care lobby. This intimidation is not only allowed to stand, we have Americans here at HP bragging about physically intimidating people who wear left leaning political t-shirts and scaring them out of stores and so forth. How long will it take for violence to break out? The only reason people from the other side of the debate--the majority side--are not showing up with counter protests is they fear being beaten to a pulp by the cops and the troglodyte right. Congressmen are starting to cancel these meetings because the local police fear for their physical safety, and I would say that's a realistic fear at this point.
Not only is a police state not far off, we have people cheering that day on. In my entire life I have not seen such open and unapologetic hatred brewing here. Not even the civil rights movement was this scary. But I try to point to it and all I get is crap, so whatever. I can't stop it anyway.
Mark, thank you for validating that perception about the level of aggression at Hub Pages recently. I do think it is a direct result of corporate backing of the most knuckle-dragging elements of American society--they are feeling justified in their idiot rage now and are practically gleeful about it. They can't see that they are being used the way Bush used the Christian right--He didn't give a rat's ass about Jesus or the Christian right, he just used them to get into power. That's what's going on now with the corporate lobby. They don't care about politics or ideals, they're just pushing buttons to keep their profits intact, but the people whose buttons are being pushed are too stupid to realize that.
I've seen a change in the freelance boards, HP, everyplace I write. It's WAY more competitive, and everyone seems to be a troll. At Elance, there are a gazillion new providers with corporate resumes bidding on crap work at less than a penny per word. Every mouth breather on the planet is trying to make money on the internet now and it can't last. When we reach critical mass, which can't be that far off at this point, we're gonna see a meltdown that'll make the real estate meltdown look like a day at the park. I'm working as hard as a I can now so I can take the winter off and write some fiction. I need it for my own sanity if nothing else.
I have been giving that some thought and the idea scares me.The lowest tier (first time buyers) is now priced to sell, and is moving accordingly. The second tier (small family homes and bungalows) have dropped sufficiently for people to now take the second step on the ladder.
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tantrum 2 years ago
I'm sorry to say I don't understand much about remortages as I'm homeless. I'm missing your cooking receips! That's why I became your fan in the first place ! LOL! Anyway... happy 2 b and waiting :)